Manhattan Project, Atomic Energy Commission, Oak Ridge National Lab, Dutch Botanists, and Radiation Ecology—manufacturing mutations and ecological cybernetics. Plus, the financialization of ecosystem services and biodiversity. I attempt to summarize the conversation I had with Leo Saraceno about his research into the topics listed above (and much more). — Earlier last month (on August, 5 2022—to be exact), Leo Saraceno joined me on a pre-recorded stream to share some of his research into the Manhattan Project, the Atomic Energy Commission, history of Oak Ridge National Lab, Pugwash Conferences, radioactive aerosol experimentation in St. Louis, the non-weaponized use of radio-isotopes…